
My wife and I have different stances on various topics. One of those topics has gone from a simple debate, to what feels like a blatant insult. Same sex marriage. I believe, based on Christian principles, that marriage is an institution, appointed by god, between a man and a woman. My wife, believes that homosexual couples should be allowed to marry. Our society has passed tolerance and become acceptant of gay relationships. And to each their own. This is not a debate on homosexuality. This is a debate of marriage. When we took our vows, my wife has already admitted that she did not agree to the vows, or to my role as the husband and caregiver. She does not believe in god. She believes that people who do not believe in god, and homosexuals have the right to be married. I believe that makes the very ideals of marriage perverse. I am contemplating filing for a divorce, for the simple fact that she is making a mockery of something I honor. Please advise, good and bad. Thanks
Best Answer: There are of course two levels of marriage in essence, maybe three, 1st you might have religious or sacramental marriage, that which the couples ask for a priest or pasture to ordain in some way; 2nd you have legal marraiges, of which the religious marriages usually are, but in these cases a legal marriage would be a non -religious wedding, and then you have this 3rd category which is more marriage by actions, either self proclaimed or simply by living together in some states (common law or spirirtual is somtimes a word used).
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I asked my priest how he would handle gay couples in church years ago when the mayor of san francisco allowed gay marriage. He said that he would handle it as he handles divorced couples who remarry. Meaning that if a couple marrys in the church unless they get a church annulment they are still married by the same principles of the church faith, and therefore in remarriage they are committing adultery.
In any case, whether there is a gay couple, or a couple which have a divorced partner, both live in a type of sin. Afterall, we are all sinners. So I think that the issue you are arguing over is not something to break up the marriage.
Think of marriage as legal means by which our laws provide protectios and assurances to couples who choose to live togther. When President Bush spoke about constitutionally outlawing marriage years ago, it sparked the mayor of San Francisco, a conservative married republican, to risk his career to marry couples which led to the recent CA supreme court decision. The mayor said something to the extent that the President seeked to disenfranchise, to isolate, and to remove any legal protection from a specific group in our society. Such actions historically have led to hate, and persecution, so I think that for the sake of tolerance you shoudl be willing to shake your neighborhs hand at church whether they are divorced or gay, whether they remarried after divorce or or married to a person of the same sex.
These laws that give divorce and gay marriage serve an important part of our “Roman” society because they are a means by which Caesar governs us. We need these laws to ensure that we have social order, and I do believe that of the two, only adultery (divorcing and then having sex) is on the 10 commandts, not gay marriage.
Of course marriage is an element of all societies.
Now, let’s be truly honest, this question is BS, and you really shouldn’t waste our time to put yourself on some silly alter. I think you need to stop complaining that some jerk you don’t like is against gay marriage. You’re not gonna convince anyone anything here they don’t already believe and I really this that you’re mocking religion in a hypocritical way because you seem to want people to accept you but you don’t want to accept others beliefs. Get off your pedestal buddy, and enjoy your life.
- I find it bizarre that, given how you so strongly believe in your religious principles, you married a woman who does not believe in God. What a strange thing to do!
Secondly, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, and if you believe that you are obligated to follow the vows you made before God, then it is equally bizarre that you are asking if you should divorce your wife. If you honor marriage, you are honor-bound NOT to divorce her.
You need to figure out where YOU stand on YOUR principles, and then follow them, even if your wife does not. You have chosen a difficult path for yourself, but it may yet lead you closer to God.
- Well marrying someone of a different religion (or one with no religion when you have one) will lead to this. Getting a divorce would still be breaking the vows. But since she doesn’t believe in the vows (which is not the right thing to say to your mate) then it doesn’t matter if you break them (it still does in Gods eyes but he will forgive you).
- Get over your bad self. She isn’t making a mockery of something you honor, she is simply telling you she disagrees with your point of view.
Incidentally, shouldn’t YOUR Christian principles dictate that ONLY adultry is a reason for divorce? Oh wait, that would be hypocritical of you.
- i think if you want to save your marriage you two need to agree to disagree and stop talking about that subject. there are many couples i know with different religious beliefs. they just don’t talk about it! you both need to learn to respect each others views and understand that you will not change them and just move on!
- My husband and I have the same disagreement. I think in a free country, people should be able to do as they wish. Our country was founded on religious freedom and yet it seems that unless you follow a certain belief system you’re really not free. I don’t know why you would need to save your marriage, you’re allowed to have differing opinions. Just agree to disagree.
- It is risky imposing your beliefs, regardless of how valid they are, on others, even your wife.
However, I agree with you that marriage is holy, and, I don’t have strong thoughts about same sex marriage, but it seems wrong some how.
- your marriage is doomed because of one thing and one thing only.
you DO NOT respect your wife’s freedom of believing whatever she wants to believe.
YOU are free to believe and worship what ever you want. that’s your right. but you DO NOT have a right to shove your beliefs down your wife’s throat. what YOU wanna believe is fine. YOUR beliefs DOES NOT make YOU a better person than anyone else. what PEOPLE believe does not make them better or worse of a human being, but IT DOES make you an @ss if you force your beliefs to others.
- What the heck did you two talk about when you were dating….the weather??
- If I were on your shoes, I’ll move out, get a divorce and find the right women…
- I don’t understand why you didn;t iron out these problems when you were dating
- i think ure right n that if u dont love her anymore its time for a divorce,good luck
- So, you married someone who has a completely different belief system than you do, and now you want to know if it’s grounds for divorce. Um, it might’ve been grounds for you to not marry her in the first place, but for reasons only you knew, you chose to marry her anyway. Are you asking if it’s ok for you to pervert and make a mockery of the thing you “honor” just because she doesn’t honor it?
You have major issues. Clearly you DON’T honor marriage very much if you’re so eager and willing to throw yours away.
- Why did she not tell you anything before you took the vowels, to one another, if you got married in a church, which I’m sure you did, she is the hypocrite, as she lied to god, and everyone else, at the church.I believe in god, as I got married in a church, and still go when I can.I am also divorced, cos had lots of problems that I couldn’t solve.I also have a gay bro, and love him dearly, he cant marry in this state as its illegal, and doesn’t want to anyway.I would ask her why she lied, and what she had to achieve out of all this, but if you love her,you should try to resolve her problem, as divorce will costs you lots more, I’m talking about thousands of dollars, and probably hating one another.
- as a fellow christian and mother of 4 kids and I also have a wonderful husband, I would say you did not know who you were marrying. which is unusual for a true believer. obviously she was not God’s plan for your life. She was not your forever girl. Maybe you should take time to pray about it. Go to church talk to a or your pastor. God has a plan for our lives from the day we are born:
He says ask and he will answer
he says seek and you shall find
pray about your situation!
he is in fact the great I am
not the great i will be
or the great I was.
also try going to www.joycemeyers.org she is an amazing speaker/pastor who has a TV show everyday and you can watch it on line with your morning coffee. she talks about real life issues we as adults face every day and references the bible. She is outgoing funny and down to earth and straight forward. Her show is called ” enjoying everyday life. Good luck I will pray for your situation to be resolved. He has a plan for you you just need to figure it out. Philippians 4:13 says “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” it is my favorite verse and has walked me through some hard times.
- There’s a saying that opposite attract. God created human being different from each other and all of us have views that can be different from each other. Tolerance and respect on each others belief is the best thing to do. You cant make her change her views because its against your belief nor she can change you. I will say if you love each others you will embrace that differences but if this causing you both a huge conflict and both cant seems to respect and understand each others belief then separation is your best option.
- Everyone has there opinion, and I don’t think that it is fair to hold that against her…and you vowed for better or worse…I don’t think that you have to agree on everything, and to get a divorce over that would make you the hippocit….you can agree to disagree…and move on to the next subject…there are going to be many issues that you guys don’t agree on, and thats OK…don’t divorce over something so petty…there probably other subjects that you don’t bring up, so why don’t you guys just agree that this is one of those taboo subjects, smile have great sex and enjoy your marriage!
- It sounds as if you two either didn’t discuss your belief systems, or ignored your differences before marrying. Technically, in the US, religion isn’t involved in obtaining a marriage license and a religious ceremony is not a requirement for becoming a married couple. So, the institution of marriage is not officially religious. It’s that whole little separation of church and state thing there. Choice of ceremony comes down to belief, and it sounds like you two don’t agree. If this is a big enough deal to you that you are considering divorce, I think you two have way bigger issues than the right for homosexuals to marry. You either need to get counseling and work out your differences or go your separate ways. Personally, I would be quite offended if my partner couldn’t respect my beliefs. You don’t have to agree with her, but as a man of faith you should realize that it is her God-given right to believe as she chooses. That’s called free will. For their sake, I hope you don’t have children. If you don’t, then please don’t have any unless you are able to come to terms with one another.
- Wow, this is a very awkward situation you have got yourself into my God fearing brother. It’s kind of wrong to want to bail out on the marriage due to some different marital views on the morals of marriage. I get where your coming from as to the biblical sense of the scenario and same sex marriage. You going to have to get off in your word and send your prayers on the mighty high to work and understanding in you guys marriage and in the meantime your going to have to agree to disagree on the matter at hand. Shooting your belief at her isn’t going to make her belief go away. The best thing to do is to leave it along and put it in God’s hand to turn it all around for his glory and name sake. God Bless You!!!!!
- although she didnt agree to the vows, you did right? and from a biblical stand point, the bible says in 1 Corinthians that if you marry and unbeliever and you are a beleiver, do not divorce them. if you really believe that God can do anything, then believe that he can change her frame of mind. i agree with you completely but you shouldnt take the easy way out as others do. And in any case, my fiance and i have some differences in opinions about many things, but those are the things that we dont try to come to a resolution about it if it doesnt directly affect us and if the issue doesnt change our lives when we come to any sort of conclusion and in this case, the gay marraige issue will not really affect your marriage because she isnt a man and you arent a woman. but all i hjave to say is that God is capable of changing the mentality of anyone. Pray for her.
- You intend to honor the institution of marriage by getting a divorce? You think it will please God to get rid of your wife because she disagrees with you? You aren’t making much sense.
Instead of being so busy judging your wife and looking down your nose at her you need to consider the possibility that you have your head screwed on backwards. Go talk to your clergy person or spiritual advisor. You just might have some room to improve yourself.
- Are you covenant spouses? Is this the first marriage for both of you? If so, then you can not divorce her, regardless of any reasons.
Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another? Another thing you do: You flood the Lord’s altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with
pleasure from your hands. You ask, ‘Why?’ It is because the Lord is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant. Has not the Lord made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his.
And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth. ‘I hate divorce,’ says the Lord God of Israel. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.” Malachi 2:10-16
Mark 10:11-12 (Jesus) He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Luke 16:18 Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery
If you are NOT covenant spouses, then you need to divorce her immediately, because you are in adultery with her. Since Jesus claims marriage to a non-covenant spouse is adultery, those in “legal adultery” will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10